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I want to use patented technology in my product

Anonymous

February 13th, 2017

Hey,

I am currently building a physical prototype. I found that there is a company that manufactures a new type of compressor, but it only sells specified versions of it. And its price point is way to high for my prototype.

The reason why its so expensive is because the company uses a highly precise processes to manufacture this product. I Actually just need a much simpler version.

So I have contacted this company to try to see if they would be able to make me a cheaper version but they refused to do so. I then asked if they would sell me a drawing of their product (I would be willing to sign an agreement) so that I could make the part myself and use it in my testing. But once again they refused to do so because as they say that this product is protected by IP laws and that they can not help me.

I really do need this part to complete my prototype. I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions? and is it legal for me to reverse engineer their product? Or would it be smart to go a local compressor manufacturer and see if they would be willing to help me either communicate them or reverse engineer the product with me?


Thank you

Joel Williams Entrepreneur at EZBadge

February 14th, 2017

As others have said, it is illegal to make, use, sell, or import an item that infringes a patent. As a startup, if you can't get it from the legally, consider alternative designs. Also, it is not good to have a product that is dependent on a single source for a critical component that you do not control. Not the kind of risk that investors want to see. I don't know what you are making, but if this particular compressor is truly critical, then you are essentially making an add-on to their invention. Maybe you can sell them your technology. =) If you have very deep pockets and lots of time, you can try to fight the patent's validity.

gregory galland Director at Pearlbrite

February 13th, 2017

Apple has done similar things. They don't invent. They copy and make it better. Try Eller pumps in Deerfield. I do not have a contact. Are you presenting anywhere?

Scott Elliott

February 16th, 2017

IP law is not just patents. IP also includes trade secrets, copyright and trademarks. Trade secrets are an odd beast. The rules are much more vague and you can only claim it if you keep the secret. There are ways to share a trade secret such as NDAs. There is nothing preventing you from reverse engineering a product that is only protected my a trade secret, provided you do it from a public information or a copy of a product you legally bought (in other words, no seeking into their factory and steeling their plans).

If you do not see the patent numbers on the device, packaging or their website, ask them what patents they claim on the product in which you are interested. You can also search for the companies patent's on google patents or the USPTO's website. Although, not every company attaches their name to their patents, but the investors must have their names on the patents.

Irwin Stein Very experienced (40 years) corporate,securities and real estate attorney.

February 13th, 2017

What part of they own the patent do you not understand? Pay what they want for their product or go without. Reverse engineering is theft. How would you feel if you were the patent owner and someone stole your product?

Oliver Schönleben Evolutionizing Mobile Interaction

February 13th, 2017

At least I'm not aware of any reason that would make it illegal for you to reverse-engineer their (or any) technology, as long as you don't use (such reverse-engineered) technology that is patent-protected, in sold products or the production process in an area where their (potential) patent applies. That restriction, however, may prevent your local manufacturer from spending time in that process, because they could not exploit what they learn for some time. But it's never wrong to talk to them, I guess. If your finished product absolutely requires this (patent-protected) compressor, you're at their mercy: they can forbid you to use their compressor, and you need to assess whether this would ruin your business model.